I actually timed it once. We gather together to worship the LORD and edify, exhort, and encourage on another (dont forget admonish and instruct). This year Ive been watching 5 churches that broadcast their worship live on Sundays. David is a teacher to the world, literally, online, through his books, through the IMB, etc. They allege that these government churches have sold their soul and their freedom to the State (according to their critics, the First Amendment already makes them tax exempt anyway). Does Public Broadcasting Need Your Tote Bag Deep into the churchs 1 Small fellowships are well and good, but you darn well better get your fanny in a seat to hear the pastor preach on a regular basis, or else youre doin it wrong. One is an outgrowth of the other. and to piggy back.. at MBC platt was speaking about salvation and missions.. and i quote reason you were saved is to go on missions.. not b/c God loves u.. not b/c God wants to spend eternity w/ u.. etc. Ill never make that mistake again. Sermon on the Mount definitely Both should be evident, though. Boy did that make some pastors extremely mad. I hear some of you saying that you want a personal interaction with a pastor. Viewing David Platts past online sermon videos smack of the same toxic religious syndrome in store for MBC members as well. God can work with plan A, plan B, plan C, etc. Just being a preacher doesnt make you a pastor. In the circles described here, the same can be said of job-titles ending in pastor; you get the honour and privileges of ministry, without the price and responsibility. Do you think Platt is making a permanent transition here? As you are well aware, the spiritual life saved, may very well be a personal one. The Nepalese believers dont seek expenses-paid work jollies or international trips, or book deals. David is a teacher to the world, literally, online, through his books, through the IMB, etc. Web9. "At Grace Church, there are three things and ONLY three things that I do: I meet with the staff/apprentices, I preach about 70% of the time, and I lead a small group in my home. God wants to team with us and envigorate the process with his life-giving, explosive self Theyre either ignorant of the law or lying to you and blowing you off. I ran in a 5k on Labor Day where he won the 40-44 division. We all need to be fed. I am sure my staff are wondering why I laughed so loudly a moment ago. I was fed by the sermons that Lon Solomon preached during the past year that I attended MBC. Hopefully I can soon find a way out. Many of my friends from Gospel Glitterati churches invited me to the conferenceso glad I declined and did not give a penny to them. Should it come from the pulpit only? Im not looking for the perfect church . Stomach full of staples for another week, but back to work with a few restrictions. We are there as a BODY to ask what can we do to GLORIFY GOD?, @ Chris: The shared leadership not taking full-time pay checks from their fellow believers, perhaps? Church was run, shepherded, pastored, whatever you want to call leading the flock by all of us. I wonder when they will roll it out. One thing that does often seem to be missing in men and women these days is Godly wisdom. @ ZechZav: Were paying, sometimes til it drives us into financial ruin, to be abused. Its like a code for the party apparatus. What do you reckon the remuneration will be for this part-time pastoring? They are the symptoms of diabetes an epidemic in our generation. We respect Dr. Platt and his sense of the Lords leading; and we recognize our responsibility to hold him accountable for his work leading the International Mission Board. Heres one thats guaranteed to make my progressive brothers and sisters recoil in horror and get their boxers and panties in a dither every time: We always sit in the back and still do. Yes marketing is creating more customers, and increased investment in distribution helps to deliver the product and access to more markets; but a shifting of resource allocation and cost-cutting measures are needed. I do believe I read somewhere about how can they believe in Him of whom they have not heard, and how can they hear without a preacher, and how can they preach except they be sent That sure sounds like witnessing to me. ___ Problem is Jesus shepherded in another fashion and ran off when people wanted him to be a celebrity. Maybe the problem is not David Platt but the mega church experience. Incidentally, Platt captained England on numerous occasions and his Wiki bio says the following: The official England history regarded him as a tireless runner and tidy passer, leading by quiet example providing inspiration at a time when it was a rare commodity. I dont think this is the only issue, but I think it is one. But theres a lot of bigger issues that a lot of people here have mentioned. Even if he does prep his own sermons . My son is also in his prime (26) which certainly helps recovery. (Yet Mahaney refers to the hours and hours and hours and hours and hours it takes to prepare sermon!) Im sure they could help. He never chided believers to get out there, knock on doors, join me on mission, serve your community, hand out water bottles at marathons, plant a community garden. At the time he was the youngest megachurch pastor in the United States. I look forward to reading what she has to say about the sexual abuse coverup in the church her ex-husband, Joshua was senior pastor. They are also quite able to live in the tension where not everyone is miraculously healed. Is he doing word studies on every single Greek word? It is not a place where 1 man is in charge. My husband and I attended the Sunday school class in one church but attended services in another. ADA Only You Jesus I guess being on the fence is another word for being in the wilderness. John 3:16 God so loved the world.God loves us all and wants us to spend eternity with him. He even had the nerve to say he was leaving the church in the best shape it had ever been in and its history! Running so fast, so frantically cramming his life full to overflowing, it doesnt seem as if there would be any time left over to listen to a still small voice, among the least of these. Speaker?) David is no Paul. Im a firm believer in Capital Punishment. The shareholders are proud of their new corporate bakery enterprise. Unless you show me some passages that demonstrate it was the norm. A Christian (?) No liberal lefty here, in fact, not really political at all, Overhead is a thing that happens every single day regardless of how many people show up. I said " E, that's not a true story! I dont know if they have similar laws in Australia, the churches there appear to have the same penchant for the title. I do see the Body of Christ doing all those things, and more, but not paid clergy. Having been in SBC churches for 20 years, I can honestly say that most megachurch sermons are shallow and quite devoid of teaching of Scripture. This leaves the door wide open for our congregation to see areas of leadership where they are needed, and to respond accordingly.. It evolved; a culture developed around it; rules and regulations; holidays and celebrations; the yearly church calendar; working people could show up, pay up, and leave; eventually the CEO posted a job roster for the volunteers; duties and titles; gender roles; power and access became linked to donated money; book$ and conference$ and web$ite$ and broadcast$; celebrity and status; trips and missions and safaris; etc. @ Arnold Smartarse: My Comment was Deleted . But there were no other pastors. This is one of the things my church actually makes a concerted effort to doopen the facilities throughout the week to various groups. Or is FIEC the T4G/TGC/9Marks beachhead in the kingdom? More amazing is members will do so. When people function, in love, in their gifts and responsibilities there is no need for a vested authority. I have been hearing from a few folks. My life is so much better now that I have the bread/dough (double entendre). This phrase lacks, IMHO, just a single e. The last time such a position existed was over 3,000 years ago, it was a special circumstance, it was explicitly ordained by the Lord Himself, and it was filled by one who was stated by God to be the most humble man in the history of the world. Im not so sure God is so worried about all our acronyms..SBC, IMB, etc Is not our mission unity in love Making disciples, preaching the word to all nations? Hmm-methinks my upbringing has given me an entirely different take on what the preacher should be. Of course there are many in between, but I continue to be amazed how many people do not put much thought into what they do and say.. our immediate culture is makin this worse. The people in this church are very nice & supportivebut Im starting to think its time to move on. ___ Now, does pastor osittin around need a person parsonage exemption up to 30% of his salary? I. Absolutely not. And I do not want that. injury or illness that affects your vocal cords. They throw that stuff out there expecting the sheeple to believe them. It seems Billy Graham has the gift of evangelism (gifts of the Spirit to the church, Rom. I am a member of MBCbut now a former member as of today. If we would just let God be God, He would draw all men unto Himself. Im familiar with the loophole, it is another one of those things that violates my classical liberal sensibilities as does the property tax exclusion that no other non-profit enjoys. And I think a pastor saying they will NOT do these things says something negative about their attitude. He is the author of the New Yo However, I do think it represents something about care and compassion of the sheep and knowing them by name. Im not there yet. I think this explains the dislike many of them have for bloggers. 13. Preaching is fun. (Make it uncomfortable for them by degrees, so that they sign or leave? Think of a bakery. As I recall, that didnt come out too well for them, or for their father. How long will it take the 13-25 thousand people who attend services at the McLean Bible multi-plex Church in Northern Virginia on a regular basis to realize they are being had by preachers who are now pushing stealth Calvinism, and hanging out with and supporting 501(c)3 organizations that do? Sorry for initiating a rabbit trail but to clarify a classical liberal is more like a libertarian but sees the need for just a tad more government. Why are we so stupid? You want to be a prima donna with a weekend gig? But at some point, arent we supposed to grow up into some degree of self-reliance, as far as the scriptures are concerned? Though I am partway through a lunchtime bottle of ale. (1) lyrics: Evanescence: The Evolution of Bring Me To Life: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EEHZ_-mE7Ao Anything bursting in there makes surgery, clean up, and recovery much more extensive. Im asking God to give you Elders who are friends, and that things go well in your church. 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